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what's up everybody it is thursday night

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just before 6 p.m central standard time

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and this is our second show today busy

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day i think it was last week i said i

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was gonna calm down a little bit

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but that's like the third time i've said

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that in a couple weeks so

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[Laughter]

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um

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but you know when when duty calls you

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have to step up to the plate right um

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and i've been

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fortunate enough to have this outlet

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um to speak to put other people uh on

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here to speak to to say what they need

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to say or want to say

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and just to get positive messages out

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um

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so

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with that being said

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um i have a duty to um do this

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and it is a pleasure doing that and in

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such i meet such wonderful people and

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today that person is going to be at

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deborah jordan

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uh

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and um i talked to her a little bit

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backstage we had the with the beer

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cooler back there we were drinking pabst

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i'm talking about the show

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no she's

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seems like a really nice person if you

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haven't seen the movie the observers um

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i highly recommend you look at it it is

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thought provoking

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no bones about it and right now it seems

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like uh synchronicity at its finest with

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everything going on

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um with the government and and you know

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where they're taking this stuff so

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uh with that being said uh you know me

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i'm just gonna play an intro

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[Music]

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thanks laura i really appreciate that i

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have to get on some new intros you know

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i like

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switching those up and i've been

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slacking slacking slack and slacking

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real quick i'll just say hi to everybody

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here uh robert as always thank you

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um diesel girl what's up i love that you

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keep coming back i love that you're new

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i love that you that you're liking the

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show

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um

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lara how are you

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always a pleasure to see you

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um

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k 42 d what's happening

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and jake christopher king what's up

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[Laughter]

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nice comment i love that um you know i'm

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actually enjoying getting dressed up if

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you know old blues players you know i

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was really into old blues music and

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everything and um they would always

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dress up for their for their shows and

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and because it was they had business

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that they had to do they had to take

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care of business so i like that

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[Music]

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who else we got here here let's primate

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what's up everybody else in here who

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hasn't said what's up what's up

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um ethereal aura disclosure team

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everybody all right so we're gonna have

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lord bass what's up sir psych what's up

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all right i can't keep up

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all right

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um so

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we're going to have a conversation

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without further ado i'm going to bring

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deborah jordan kabul how are you

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i'm good thank you thanks for having me

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and yeah i love your intro i thought it

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was awesome you like it uh yeah that

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means a lot that means a lot i have this

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issue where i get um bored of things

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quick like i have like 20 in here

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with different logos and different

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themes or whatever but you know uh that

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one i think is one of my better ones

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because uh

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you know i think a message

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gets across with it uh that's important

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to me so powerful

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uh the observers came out yesterday um

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[Music]

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you know it's pretty powerful movie

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there's there's a lot of people in it

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that everybody is familiar with richard

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dolan jimmy church yourself lou elizondo

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um and that's just a couple of them um

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linda

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moulton howell is that how you say her

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name yeah

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she plays the main role she's great

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um but let me ask you

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know you

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you had your experience

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um long enough ago

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when did you start

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like looking for answers physically like

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was it right out of the bat you're

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you're reading books looking for people

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to talk to or were we in denial for a

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how did that work

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i've had weird things happen to me my

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whole life but um

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after that june 30 1983 incident that

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basically what bud hopkins wrote about

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in intruders right i'd say for the first

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six months or so after that at least i

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stunned i mean i was trying to find

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normal answers

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to uh what could have caused all this

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stuff and and doubt myself thinking okay

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i'm having a nervous breakdown i'm i'm

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you know this can't be

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what it looks like and

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frankly at that point if mom hadn't been

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there that night

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um so and the neighbors

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hadn't witnessed things you know i

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i don't know if i would have reached out

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especially if mom hadn't been there that

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night

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it's interesting how that works well and

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yeah eventually i did start um trying to

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find answers not just for myself but for

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other people that seemed like it

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that night changed me profoundly and um

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set me off in

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what i believe

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was the direction that my whole life is

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intended to be for i mean i feel like i

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was born

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do this that i'm doing right now and

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talk about this openly i didn't for a

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i became an investigator for mufon for

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about 10 years oh well well because in

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you know in indiana because i felt like

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um one of the ways i dealt with things

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that scared me was to learn as much

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about it as i could because i felt like

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there's power and knowledge you know

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yeah when i smile it's just because i'm

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the same way so okay

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great so don't worry about it and um

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and then uh i started feeling pulled

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into the paranormal side of things

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because i also had a lot of paranormal

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activity in my life you know all my life

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and it seemed to me like somehow

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i was discovering that there was some

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kind of connection you know because i

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was meeting tons of people

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like me and who had witnessed ufo or

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extraterrestrial whatever you want to

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call this kind of contact

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who also had paranormal stuff happening

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and uh did that for a while all the time

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trying to manage that

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with um

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i had two kids to raise and i've worked

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in a factory i also was a hairdresser so

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i i always work work i've worked since i

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was 15 and a half years old you know

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i i this this is how i make my living

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for 15 years so

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it's very midwestern of you

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you know it's just like my family it is

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what it is that's what you do you work

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let me let me ask you this like you're

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you know um

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full time you're working your butt off

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and you're pursuing these endeavors

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outside of work

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what kept you going what

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you know i'm sure there was times where

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you were like

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is this even worth it you know should i

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throw in the towel or whatever like how

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do you get through that

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i yeah there were a lot of times in my

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life when i said

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i'm done with this get away from me

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i didn't ask for this you know leave me

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especially times like when my uh late

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husband passed away very traumatic time

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for me in my life and i'm like don't you

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know i'm i was lucky i didn't just you

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know die with him

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and the only thing that kept me going at

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that point was i had two teenage boys

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that needed me to raise

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and so um you know i didn't want to have

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anything to do with this but

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the universe in all of its wisdom you

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know or god or whatever you want to call

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give me space when i would push it away

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but always drop kick me right back into

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the middle of it

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at some point in my life

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so um

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you know i finally got to a point in an

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age in my life where i'm like okay i get

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it you know i know i get it now

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and you know this last few last two

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the the governments have begun to speak

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uh i just you know i wrote a book um

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to kind of compliment bud's book

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intruders about my life and family

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and i finished it just at the same time

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intruders was being republished and same

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publisher actually picked up my book

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and so that all came out at the same

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time and then linda asked me if i would

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be on her

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earth files and i've known her for years

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she's like a sister to me in in many

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ways and uh so i agreed and then she

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asked me would you

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want to participate with me in this

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said i know you don't do it very often

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uh because i don't i was

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very picky about what i did participate

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in and a lot of times i didn't want to

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there were times at work where i didn't

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want people to know

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who i was because i just didn't want to

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have to deal with them but then careers

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a little few people began to

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recognize me from something or other or

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realize who i was and i was surprised

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the 38 years ago when this first

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happened to me and i first met bud and

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this became

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public the time people had a whole

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different attitude about it that they do

289
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now

290
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and even

291
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several years ago when people found out

292
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oh you know i was interested in ufos i'd

293
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start to have people coming up to me in

294
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the break room and say hey do you

295
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believe in ufos i'm gonna be like yeah

296
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and they go i saw something and then

297
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they share with me and tell me

298
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and i was and i began to realize there's

299
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a lot of people out here like me

300
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and i began to slowly gel into

301
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you know i always thought

302
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that i had a job to do that i had some

303
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kind of destiny within this whole thing

304
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that i needed to do and it finally began

305
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to dawn on me um

306
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a few years back that

307
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i think anyway my job is to

308
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be here be out here

309
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to show people that

310
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it's okay

311
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see weird stuff and talk about it i feel

312
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like i

313
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part of my

314
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um

315
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job is to help remove the stigma

316
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the first people

317
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that really i've

318
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been concerned about um

319
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this the airline pilots that they

320
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interviewed when they did the tic tac

321
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videos and stuff

322
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you know and i heard them i heard what

323
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they said and i understood it the stigma

324
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around a report like this you know they

325
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were afraid to lose their jobs they were

326
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afraid to to be thought as crazy and to

327
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not be able to fly anymore and

328
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i was afraid people in my job would find

329
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out who he was and run me out on a rail

330
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and i would lose my income you know i

331
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didn't want my kids to be

332
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ridiculed because of what i saw

333
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and i thought

334
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that's not right and i

335
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after years of being in the public on

336
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and off and being out and meeting

337
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thousands of people um over the years

338
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with bud and on my own i've come to

339
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realize that for every person like me

340
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who's speaking out publicly there's

341
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probably fifty thousand

342
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or a hundred thousand more

343
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that aren't singing a word that haven't

344
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said a word for years yeah and um

345
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i

346
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um and my brother and all that and

347
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you know although

348
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they haven't experienced it the way i

349
00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,240
have

350
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they both told me about

351
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:02,959
weird sightings they had

352
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:06,720
everybody's got a story man everybody

353
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:08,880
so and i just had something like that

354
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last week where i reached out to

355
00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:11,760
somebody from

356
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you know over 10 years ago that i worked

357
00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:15,519
with and

358
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he told me about a sighting he had and i

359
00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:19,360
would have never guessed it it it's just

360
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:22,480
uh yeah i think you're exactly right

361
00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:25,519
now i'm curious about this did you feel

362
00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:26,959
like you

363
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:28,079
um

364
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you know had a mission to accomplish so

365
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:31,120
to speak

366
00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:33,440
um before this happened at all

367
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,880
you know but you just weren't sure what

368
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,000
it was

369
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:38,639
um you know before this before the june

370
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:41,600
3083 incident now i didn't particularly

371
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,000
feel like i had a mission my main goal

372
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:46,959
in life prior to that was to be a mom

373
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:49,680
all i wanted to do and i'm a baby boomer

374
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:52,880
i'm 62 years old i'll be 63 in february

375
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:55,680
and so my generation you know we wanted

376
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:57,120
the white picket fence in the house and

377
00:15:02,389 --> 00:14:59,120
the husband and the kids and that's what

378
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,399
i wanted i didn't think any farther than

379
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,079
my own little world

380
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:06,720
and that when i got hit

381
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:08,079
by that light

382
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in my mom's garage

383
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:15,120
something changed and that my world

384
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:17,440
changed and i changed

385
00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:18,880
yeah

386
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:20,959
you got hit with the light in the garage

387
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,550
was it at the same time you

388
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,639
had your experience

389
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:30,240
yeah that that was part of the

390
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,759
experience right

391
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:33,360
gotcha

392
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,949
do you think this happens to people for

393
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,560
a reason

394
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,440
i think everything it picks people

395
00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:44,480
well

396
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i don't maybe i don't know that you know

397
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,079
i don't know i can only speak for myself

398
00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:52,320
and i you know anything i'd say would be

399
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:55,360
pure speculation i know when i

400
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,320
had that encounter in 83 the one that i

401
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:01,199
said you know that i got hit by a light

402
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:04,800
my eyes were damaged i believe and now i

403
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:07,120
believe that my eyes were damaged by

404
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,399
that light because it was so bright and

405
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:10,959
intense i was diagnosed with cataracts

406
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:13,759
and macular degeneration in my 30s

407
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,199
and ended up these are new lenses

408
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,680
now acrylic lenses had they had to be

409
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,519
replaced

410
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,040
and i don't

411
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:25,440
while i feel that my experience

412
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:28,240
contributed to this problem with my eyes

413
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,440
i don't think it was something that was

414
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,360
done to me intentionally but i think it

415
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:33,519
was a side effect of it you know

416
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,639
yeah

417
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,480
i don't know that

418
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:38,639
i could say that it healed me

419
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,440
but

420
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,040
that's not to say that it hasn't done

421
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,959
that to other people travis walton

422
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,480
thinks that the reason they picked him

423
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:46,720
up to begin with was because

424
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:47,839
um

425
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,839
the when he was hit with that beam of

426
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,440
light it

427
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:53,199
essentially killed him

428
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:54,399
and he

429
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,240
thinks they picked him up and took him

430
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,320
back onto the ship to

431
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,320
save him right they tried to fix what

432
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,440
they messed up so yeah yeah

433
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:05,039
um

434
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:08,160
did you find it hard just living

435
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:09,039
life

436
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,959
something that's still after all these

437
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,880
years is just in your head all the time

438
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,240
or have you

439
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,480
managed to keep it at bay

440
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,120
i don't yeah i well you know where i

441
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:23,679
live i i'm kind of isolated and i don't

442
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:26,160
have people around me a lot that talk

443
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:29,360
about this subject therefore years can

444
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,640
pat before now years could pass

445
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:34,400
and i wouldn't talk about it now i'd see

446
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,919
something on tv occasionally i'd watch

447
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,080
or i'd talk to an old friend on the

448
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,840
phone or see something on the internet

449
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,840
but i didn't go around talking about it

450
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:43,679
or even thinking about it you know

451
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,720
um

452
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,240
it always seemed like something would

453
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,799
happen to push me back in wouldn't let

454
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,280
me get very far and kind of you know

455
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,720
follow me back

456
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,960
into it but um

457
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,720
and i've always

458
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:58,320
seeked to

459
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:59,120
be

460
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,039
what i considered normal

461
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,880
you know i just wanted to

462
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,799
i wanted to get my kids raised so they

463
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,160
could be productive

464
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:08,880
productive adults in this society and be

465
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,919
happy

466
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:11,440
and i wanted to

467
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:14,240
be happy myself and be healthy and you

468
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:16,160
know not have to worry about

469
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,919
getting the rent paid or

470
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,440
what i got to put back at the grocery

471
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,799
because i ain't got enough money you

472
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:22,559
know for it right so i've worked for

473
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,679
things like that and

474
00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:28,480
so that's how i've been yeah pretty

475
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,590
pretty easy life then huh well no

476
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,120
[Laughter]

477
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:35,280
no

478
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:36,160
better

479
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,360
light in the mood a little bit what are

480
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,440
some of your favorite things to do

481
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,360
some of my favorite things to do yeah if

482
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:43,200
you like shooting pool bowling what do

483
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,679
you do i love to go outside and go for

484
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,000
walks i like to be out in nature i love

485
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:51,200
animals i'm currently addicted to my

486
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:52,799
oculus quest

487
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:56,480
vr headset theme and i play a bowling

488
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,120
game and i play um

489
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:01,760
beat saber like every night that thing

490
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,039
saved my sanity during covert lockdown

491
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,360
yeah and i love to travel and see my

492
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:10,080
friends and hang out and um yeah of

493
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,840
course i don't get to do that very much

494
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,919
because that costs money

495
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,000
and for 15 years when i worked in the

496
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,720
factory i literally had one week a year

497
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,799
that i could do anything or go anywhere

498
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:22,960
with because the rest of the time i had

499
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:25,919
to work i had one week's vacation yeah

500
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:27,360
isn't that interesting you spend your

501
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,799
life working and then you retire and

502
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,559
you know everything you wanted to

503
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,799
probably do when you started working

504
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:36,160
when you retired

505
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,430
and i love spending time with my

506
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:43,919
granddaughter she's my little minnie me

507
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,720
yeah well not little she's 15.

508
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,880
is this a hereditary at all or is like

509
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,200
anybody else in your family deal with

510
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,760
this stuff or well my mother had a

511
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,600
strange thing happen to her which i

512
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,919
didn't even know about uh until bud

513
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,520
hopkins came to the house to interview

514
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,840
us the first time and mom great guy by

515
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:04,559
the way i from what i see

516
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,679
he was

517
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,960
uh

518
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,039
such a compassionate and caring person

519
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,520
and i owe him my life honestly there is

520
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,840
nothing about the life that i have today

521
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,880
that would

522
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,159
even be

523
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,559
happening had i not met him and changed

524
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,559
this whole course of my life

525
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,440
yeah but um

526
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,679
and then you know like i said my my mom

527
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,120
and then my

528
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,679
sons had

529
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,880
some effects

530
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,559
uh some things happened to them when

531
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,720
they were children a little bit in the

532
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,559
house no i don't think to the extent

533
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,520
that

534
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,080
um i was and

535
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,559
the oldest ones won't talk about it now

536
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,320
and then he and then my granddaughter

537
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,480
who he is her father

538
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,159
i guess when she was maybe about five or

539
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,039
six she started having uh um

540
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,960
for a period of about three months night

541
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:54,000
terrors

542
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:55,440
and uh

543
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,559
she

544
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,000
told her father

545
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,039
that the uh

546
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,400
little men with the big heads were

547
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,000
trying to take her through her bedroom

548
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:07,280
window and my son called me and he was

549
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,400
so mad at me he was like emma mom why

550
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,320
did you what have you told her what has

551
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,080
she heard and i'm like

552
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,480
nothing we had a rule and we have you

553
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,240
know how to rule we don't talk about

554
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,240
this in front of the kids we don't want

555
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,880
to contaminate their memory for future

556
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,280
and we don't want to scare them yeah

557
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,520
you know it's scary to a little kid sure

558
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:32,230
he was mad at me because he thought i

559
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,039
had

560
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,799
exposed her to some of this stuff which

561
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,559
we had not and he wouldn't let her come

562
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,880
stay the night at my house for a couple

563
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:39,919
months

564
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,640
and then it finally stopped you know and

565
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,000
then fast forward thank god it stopped

566
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,320
fast forward um

567
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,960
oh and this is cute he got a can of

568
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,640
glade air freshener and he put a new

569
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,200
label on it that said it had an alien

570
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,840
head on it with the big slash red no on

571
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,799
it it's like

572
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,760
it was like

573
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,960
repellent

574
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:02,960
and he got her a nightlight and a radio

575
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,919
and had the whole ritual and it worked

576
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,280
yeah um

577
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,280
or they just stopped i don't know

578
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,120
yeah fast forward they don't like

579
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,840
febreze yeah yeah so like 10 no like

580
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,840
eight years later she's at my house i

581
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,520
think she's probably like 14 at that

582
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,640
point

583
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,120
uh so fast forward we're watching tv and

584
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,559
some commercial comes on for ancient

585
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,760
aliens

586
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,720
and i started to instinctively reach

587
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,000
over and change the channel i'm like

588
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,640
she's 15 you know she's heard it she's

589
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,080
in high school

590
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,679
so after the commercial was over she

591
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,679
looked at me and she said hey nene and

592
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,200
i'm like yeah and she says do you

593
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:38,880
believe in aliens

594
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,600
and i i just looked at her and said

595
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,320
all i did was say yeah i do

596
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,159
and she looked at me for a minute and

597
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,039
then she said cool so do i

598
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,440
and i said cool

599
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,679
and and then we just carried on and i

600
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,360
but i and i never made a big deal out of

601
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,799
it i didn't say anything else about it

602
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,960
but i thought now she knows

603
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,799
if she ever has something that she wants

604
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,559
to talk to someone about she knows that

605
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:05,360
she can talk to me right enough yeah

606
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,960
yeah so i don't know if it has affected

607
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,919
her

608
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,960
it would appear that it may have

609
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,320
yeah i would i

610
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,840
you know it breaks my heart to think

611
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,159
that she went through scary stuff but

612
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:21,280
right you know i can't stop it so do you

613
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,480
find that the

614
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,880
topic or that experience brings you

615
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,919
maybe a little bit closer to

616
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:30,000
particular family members at some point

617
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:30,799
like

618
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,799
maybe in that moment did you two

619
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,799
maybe become maybe just a little bit

620
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:38,720
closer in that moment

621
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,760
well i'd say my oldest sister and i and

622
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,360
she and i actually

623
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:45,360
we wrote the first we wrote the first

624
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,640
incarnation of my book together and then

625
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,880
later on i took it and carried forward

626
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:52,240
to the second one

627
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,200
um

628
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,279
she's uh quite a bit older than me she's

629
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,520
like 74 and she's in a nursing home now

630
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,360
and she has dementia so

631
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,320
you know it's it's rough but she had an

632
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,039
experience in 1965

633
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,760
when i was only six years old

634
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:10,000
and she has always remembered it all

635
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,200
consciously

636
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:14,159
and had a period of missing time and has

637
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,840
told the story many times in our family

638
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,750
so

639
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,880
you know i

640
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,279
her and i got closer

641
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,200
when uh

642
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,039
we were working on when when when the

643
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:30,559
stuff happened in the yard and it all

644
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,000
started flushing out i being the

645
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,679
bratty little sister that i am

646
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,159
uh when i wrote to bud

647
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,080
before i told him about what happened to

648
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,400
me that left the mark in the yard and

649
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,840
hit me with the light and everything in

650
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,960
83

651
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,840
i i told him about my sister's event in

652
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,400
65 taking my mom to the bingo and then

653
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,240
feeling compelled to drive into this

654
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,080
parking lot this church and their whole

655
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,240
car being picked up by this ufo that was

656
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,640
hovering over this church parking lot

657
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,279
and then when she woke up in her car the

658
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,840
light it was dark many hours had passed

659
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,679
and it was time to get mom from bingo

660
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,440
you know and i wrote to him about this

661
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,000
but i didn't ask for her permission to

662
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,600
tell him

663
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,320
so when she found out she was not

664
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,480
pleased with me at all

665
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,720
and so that's why

666
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,400
and that's snail mail too probably not

667
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:25,200
even an email no that was yeah

668
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,799
there was no cell phones or emails or

669
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,840
you know

670
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,559
the closest i think was compuserve just

671
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
started nobody i knew had computers

672
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,120
i didn't even know how to turn one on

673
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:39,279
yeah so

674
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,159
um

675
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,279
what do you think you know with this

676
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,600
disclosure process happening or what the

677
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:48,240
government's doing with all this and

678
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,080
um you know they're kind of hinting at

679
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,000
extraterrestrial at least being an

680
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,200
option

681
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,360
um

682
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,520
where do you see this going is it is

683
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,279
this good that they're

684
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,440
that they're doing this or should we be

685
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,679
in your you know point of view

686
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,880
um

687
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,120
should we be worried about their actions

688
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,000
or what do you see coming from this

689
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:15,830
i

690
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,679
about um

691
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,799
when i heard that they were going to

692
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,880
release something i really wasn't

693
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,200
excited about it but then when i saw it

694
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,799
i know it was only eight pages long but

695
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,480
i was very

696
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,679
you could have knocked me over with a

697
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,080
feather when they said

698
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,440
you know i assumed they were going to

699
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,279
say oh it's all this

700
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,960
or you know it's all that it's it's the

701
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,799
russians or it's us it's secret stuff

702
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,559
and we can't talk about it or something

703
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,720
but when they said we don't know what it

704
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,880
is or where it's from i'm like really

705
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,279
i mean that that little that little

706
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,880
bitty one line

707
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,080
was

708
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,760
to me

709
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:04,310
huge

710
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,279
yeah

711
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,400
so

712
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,480
but as far as disclosure goes

713
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,840
i don't think it's what people are

714
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,000
expecting that it would be

715
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,520
i don't think it's going to come from

716
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,760
any one government

717
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:18,080
i think it's going to come from whatever

718
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,039
it is

719
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,120
that we're having contact with and it's

720
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,640
going to be when they want on their

721
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,720
terms and i don't think any one

722
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,200
government or even one

723
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,120
body of people in the world can stop

724
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,799
that so i mean

725
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,679
clearly there are advanced from us

726
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:37,039
right um i know um

727
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
do you think that's something that'll

728
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,919
happen

729
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,360
oh yeah

730
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,720
yeah yeah i do i mean

731
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,159
it's kind of happening in front of our

732
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,520
face right now

733
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,360
you and i and other people that's part

734
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:51,200
of the point of me

735
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:52,880
trying to help people be comfortable to

736
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,430
for first of all i

737
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,159
my feeling then this is just my feeling

738
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,880
it doesn't i don't speak for anyone else

739
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,679
but i fee and i do understand

740
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,080
that you know they pose a threat in the

741
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,320
sky when people are flying around on

742
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,159
airplanes and they're out there just

743
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:15,760
doing whatever they want to do darting

744
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,640
around and you know shutting off nuclear

745
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,399
weapons which don't hurt my feelings

746
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,919
none and stuff like that but

747
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,000
i mean our own airplanes run into each

748
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,679
other you know accidents are going to

749
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,440
happen up there

750
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,360
as far as you know

751
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,000
intentionally going after us i believe

752
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:35,919
they could have done a long time ago and

753
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,799
we none of us would be here so i i feel

754
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,640
like

755
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,840
i'm not gonna allow myself to be

756
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,600
afraid of something new just because

757
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,559
it's something new and i don't

758
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
understand i that ship sailed for me a

759
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,240
long time ago

760
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,279
so

761
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,039
uh you know

762
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,559
i think it's uh

763
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,240
the more people

764
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,399
who get that attitude and aren't

765
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,600
afraid

766
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,399
and realize that their voice is powerful

767
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,480
and that

768
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,440
we all

769
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:08,159
stick together you know i'm it's i think

770
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,279
that it'll

771
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,720
we're going we're going to see a whole

772
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,880
lot more i think the government is

773
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,640
actually knows a lot more than they're

774
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,440
saying and i think that i do and i think

775
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,720
that they're going to

776
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,679
um

777
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,000
they're going to fess up i mean at least

778
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,399
for now

779
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,399
you can't really trust anything they say

780
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,080
a hundred percent i'm going to trust my

781
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,880
own eyes and my own experiences

782
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,039
first because i know i've already

783
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,919
exhausted every means available to me to

784
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,840
try to put some kind of prosaic

785
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,000
explanation to these things and i can't

786
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:43,440
do it and in 38 years nobody else has

787
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,320
either

788
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,760
so

789
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,760
yeah but but yeah i think that it's i

790
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,799
think it's gonna be um

791
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,720
i mean it just

792
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,640
that they're here

793
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,480
yeah

794
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,760
do you think they could

795
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,440
they could probably stop that if they

796
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,399
wanted to i would i would imagine if

797
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,640
somebody wanted to you know squeal so to

798
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,760
speak

799
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,120
he could probably

800
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,440
you know i'm speculating of course but

801
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,679
they probably haven't been and go

802
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,279
not today

803
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,640
i think they're just watching to see how

804
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,600
we do

805
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,840
with it you know and not interfering and

806
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,399
allowing it to happen in a natural way

807
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:24,559
until it reaches a point where

808
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,520
um you know it's like when the water

809
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,760
goes up to the edge of the glass

810
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,000
and then you know it it'll go up a

811
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,760
little bit higher but when that membrane

812
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,600
breaks and it spills out then it's

813
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,600
everywhere and that's i think we're at

814
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,480
that membrane point right now

815
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,559
i just wonder why that why they would

816
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,120
care so much uh because we're live

817
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,679
how we feel about it yeah well because

818
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,480
we're sentient life you know i mean

819
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,360
we're i feel like all life is connected

820
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,679
even them i mean we're all

821
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:57,279
alive

822
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,360
and i think all life is drawn

823
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,720
to itself so to speak well just because

824
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,120
sometimes it seems

825
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:09,919
like it said the actions are very

826
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,360
almost rude and abrasive and um

827
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,960
you know

828
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,240
demeaning it sometimes so it's like do

829
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,440
they care to the you know

830
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,519
we're looking at them with human eyes

831
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,240
yeah

832
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:26,640
we don't know

833
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,640
what

834
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,279
they think is

835
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,399
rude

836
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,120
or funny or anything else we don't know

837
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,960
we're looking at it from a human

838
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,720
perspective and we're looking at

839
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,320
something that's not human

840
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,960
so we can't possibly even fathom we may

841
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,559
not even be able to

842
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,559
fathom in our minds

843
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,720
their intent or will or why they're here

844
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,640
i mean you know when i say

845
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:54,880
all life is drawn it that's my

846
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,799
perspective and so it's my opinion but

847
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,519
we may not even be able to fathom why or

848
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,799
how and and to we're judging them

849
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,880
human scary parts humans

850
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,720
and you know

851
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,960
yeah i mean it makes complete sense i've

852
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,360
i've said that myself uh when when

853
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:16,159
people talk about why or how or or any

854
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,840
of that um i always think it's kind of

855
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:21,279
silly to put

856
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:22,159
uh

857
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:23,039
any

858
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,279
human characteristics on something that

859
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,480
potentially not be human

860
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:30,480
no yeah

861
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,240
i mean there there's probably some broad

862
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,509
set of boundaries where

863
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,000
there's probability that this would be a

864
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,600
certain way you know out there in the

865
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,000
world based on science of some kind but

866
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,240
then again

867
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,600
our science our physics maybe

868
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,080
our gobbledy goop

869
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,200
wherever they're at you know so you know

870
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,440
i laugh when i hear scientists i like

871
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,000
believe science here for us but

872
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,600
when scientists say oh they can't do

873
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,120
that because this is impossible i'm like

874
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,559
yeah maybe

875
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,919
uh in human terms on planet earth but

876
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:12,159
what about in some different dimension

877
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,440
or some different

878
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,880
galaxy

879
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,880
10 million years advance from here you

880
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,840
know how do you how can you say that

881
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,240
you're just guessing like i am buddy

882
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,240
well that's that's the thing is you know

883
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,240
when every anyone really tries to claim

884
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,440
that they

885
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,919
know what is or isn't possible it you

886
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,679
know i always just think okay so we're

887
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,840
done learning we know everything now we

888
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,080
know everything there is to know now in

889
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,720
my mind we're capped off

890
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,840
yeah yeah

891
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,760
in my mind i think

892
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,159
if you can think it

893
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,919
it's happening somewhere

894
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,279
maybe not here

895
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,760
but somewhere it's kind of case in point

896
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,840
is the

897
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,840
movies you know how many movies have

898
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,880
been made and later in life in the

899
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,080
history of

900
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,840
of the world or whatever

901
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,919
those things some some of those things

902
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,039
come true

903
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,720
you know see my

904
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,360
star trek yeah

905
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,599
yeah i that's my you know i can talk to

906
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,599
my son to my watch

907
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:14,000
yeah right and that was dick tracy to me

908
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,119
yeah

909
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,480
when i was growing up he had one of

910
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,480
those watches and i would wear the fake

911
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,639
one now i got a real one

912
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,960
all right same here yeah very

913
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,079
interesting

914
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,000
i just try to keep my mind as open as

915
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,200
possible and my wonder is i try to have

916
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,119
the wonderment of a child

917
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,720
and keep my mind as open as i can um you

918
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,839
know

919
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,159
within reasons i'm still

920
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:40,079
trying to be you know

921
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,119
sensible

922
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,399
sometimes i have trouble with that

923
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,520
though

924
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:44,960
yeah well i mean

925
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:48,320
yeah it's no different than anyone else

926
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,079
yeah to be quite honest with you yeah um

927
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,839
what what kind of advice would you have

928
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,839
for somebody who

929
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,400
um has an encounter that really shakes i

930
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,400
mean i don't just mean like

931
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,119
lights in the sky or whatever but

932
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,359
i mean like you know something paradigm

933
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:07,359
shifting and maybe this has never been

934
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,520
on their radar uh and they're lost

935
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,720
what kind of advice would you give

936
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,280
somebody like that well i can tell them

937
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,119
um i was there

938
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,000
i was totally in that place

939
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,320
and i reached out

940
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,520
i reached out to bud

941
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,280
and i reached out to somebody at a time

942
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
when there wasn't very many people

943
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,480
available to reach out to and he was in

944
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,079
new york and i was in indiana but i

945
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,760
managed to figure out a way to get to

946
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,560
him

947
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,720
and um

948
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:39,119
i re i reached out

949
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:39,839
i

950
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,200
and other researchers

951
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,040
and um

952
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,880
i mean i was fortunate

953
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,119
i back then i was i feel like i was

954
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,359
blessed and fortunate because i found

955
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,680
him and he did spend a lot of time with

956
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,119
me and my family because i found him

957
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,440
early in his career before he got

958
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,520
swamped you know

959
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,560
and also i had the support of my family

960
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:16,560
and friends and neighbors

961
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,760
because they experienced different weird

962
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,040
things with me

963
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:23,520
and so i wasn't alone

964
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,240
and

965
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,000
so i've made myself available

966
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,760
for people like me

967
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
if they want

968
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:33,280
you know i don't have any answers for my

969
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,640
own stuff

970
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,000
but i i have an open mind and

971
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:41,760
a willing heart and i'm happy to listen

972
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,480
and if i know of a therapist

973
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,599
because there are a lot of therapists

974
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,560
now who are getting interested in this

975
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,320
i highly advise that i i'm in therapy i

976
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,800
have a lot of anxiety issues for years

977
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:56,560
sure and i'm i'm having and i got

978
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,400
diagnosed with ptsd before ptsd was even

979
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,760
talked about in public right and um

980
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,079
my therapist now we've been doing emdr

981
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,520
therapy for the last year not just on uh

982
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,839
my life tragedies like my husband's

983
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:13,280
suicide in the tornado and things like

984
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:14,079
that

985
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,040
but

986
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,680
also we've included some of these weird

987
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,680
experiences like the june 3083

988
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,280
experience i told her about it and i

989
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:23,200
said i'm you know i'm going to tell you

990
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,400
about this if you think i need

991
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,839
medication

992
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,760
okay you know

993
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,000
but it's a part of my life and i need to

994
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,599
to deal with this and so we've been

995
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:33,599
doing the mdr therapy on that too and it

996
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,990
the letters and i can't remember what it

997
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,680
stands for but it's

998
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,240
it somehow reprograms your thought

999
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,240
processes and takes traumatic

1000
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,240
experiences and puts them in a different

1001
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,560
place in your memory where you're able

1002
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,960
to cope with them better they use it uh

1003
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,040
they used it on like first responders

1004
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,680
and um soldiers had to come back for

1005
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,960
more

1006
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,160
with ptsd and it works

1007
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,119
it worked for me with this stuff as well

1008
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,000
so you know for my advice is reach out

1009
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,079
talk to people there's lots of people

1010
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,839
now available you can find on the

1011
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,119
internet

1012
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,720
and um i'm one of them and i have a

1013
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:20,880
website you can come send me an email

1014
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,320
and and maybe i can uh refer you to

1015
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,880
you know somebody that does hypnotherapy

1016
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,119
if that's what you want to do or talk

1017
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,160
therapy you know or just

1018
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,800
like how do you know who to trust if

1019
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,119
you're just reaching out and looking

1020
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,000
you know online as as many good people

1021
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:42,320
as there are that will help honestly and

1022
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,079
earnestly there are also not good people

1023
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,359
exactly

1024
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160
yeah that's right i mean hypnotherapy i

1025
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,839
know a lot of people look really down on

1026
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,400
it and i and and i understand why

1027
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,320
because if it's in the wrong hands it

1028
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:58,480
can mess people up

1029
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,760
uh so uh if i would suggest if that's a

1030
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,079
route you want to take be very um

1031
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,520
mindful of who

1032
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,640
you do it with um i've been around in

1033
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,160
this field for

1034
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,200
almost 40 years now 38 years since the

1035
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,960
experience in 83.

1036
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,040
and i've had the fortunate

1037
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,640
uh i've been fortunate enough to meet

1038
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:20,880
some of the best of the best you know

1039
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,640
and so i can say like um

1040
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,880
yvonne smith

1041
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,800
out in california is wonderful and she

1042
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,720
does hypnotherapy kim trotman does

1043
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,880
hypnotherapy she's in california

1044
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,720
um and if you know if that's a route

1045
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,000
that you want to go those were people

1046
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,079
those are a couple people i would trust

1047
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,680
um

1048
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:41,920
my friend peter robbins he knows a

1049
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,480
couple of psychologists i'm in

1050
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,320
on the east coast that work with

1051
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,079
abductees and people who have had these

1052
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,920
kinds of experiences ain't no one in

1053
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:51,520
indiana

1054
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:51,800
hell

1055
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,630
my therapist is she is the bomb

1056
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,760
i love her she doesn't like do it with

1057
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,880
she doesn't like advertise with this but

1058
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,560
she's very open and intelligent and she

1059
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,880
has been so helpful to me and she's here

1060
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,800
in indiana so i mean they're there you

1061
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,720
gotta just look you've got to hunt for

1062
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,079
them i guess

1063
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,040
i would be almost afraid of

1064
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,800
talking to a therapist about it and then

1065
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,040
just like their own medicine down my

1066
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,200
throat just to yeah well you just need

1067
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,160
to take this yeah whatever

1068
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,640
yeah so that you know you're good that's

1069
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,960
a good one well yeah because you you

1070
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,200
know you're it's ultimately up to you

1071
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,480
you don't have to

1072
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,720
do what they suggest but i do remember

1073
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,160
when i went to new york the first time

1074
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,480
and i saw dr clamar bud took me to see

1075
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,800
her she's a psychiatrist

1076
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,319
and then i was tested i had

1077
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,800
psychological testing at the hospital in

1078
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,880
new york that was donated for the

1079
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,319
investigation

1080
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,000
i remember telling the guy during the um

1081
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,400
verbal testing portion you know it's

1082
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,400
okay if you if you tell me i'm crazy i'm

1083
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,920
okay with that because i know they don't

1084
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,520
want to be

1085
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,359
they make pills for that and if i take

1086
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,880
pills and this goes away you know it's

1087
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,560
not a bad thing

1088
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,160
and but

1089
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,359
i'm i'm not crazy i was tested

1090
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,079
right right yeah they just they were the

1091
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,839
ones who gave me the first diagnosis of

1092
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040
ptsd

1093
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,400
and uh

1094
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,480
you know she said they said she's not

1095
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,680
that i don't they did eat eeg on my

1096
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,680
brain and a cat scan of my brain i

1097
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:32,000
didn't have brain tumors i didn't have

1098
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,280
um

1099
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,280
uh like seizure disorders or anything

1100
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,960
like that going on physically with my

1101
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,000
brain

1102
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,119
broke

1103
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,920
and i didn't test the only thing they

1104
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,760
they came away was i was above average

1105
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,040
intelligence

1106
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,800
and um

1107
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,200
i had ptsd

1108
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,440
that i wasn't prone to delusions or

1109
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,400
psychotic things or stuff like that yeah

1110
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,040
yeah i don't have the results of that

1111
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,400
those testing

1112
00:42:01,349 --> 00:42:00,079
but bud did but you know since he's

1113
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,359
passed now i don't know where any of

1114
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,480
that stuff is

1115
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,359
oh

1116
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,520
yeah well i'd probably i'm sure you'd

1117
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,200
still like to have it

1118
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,440
um yeah it would be kind of nice but

1119
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,319
yeah it is what it is yeah it's

1120
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,480
interesting i was um

1121
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,480
watching some john mack stuff not not

1122
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,000
too long ago and he was talking about

1123
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,160
you know mental this was a while ago but

1124
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,680
he was talking about mental conditions

1125
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:26,079
and and things that go on in the brain

1126
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,720
and

1127
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,520
how there's so much of our human brain

1128
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,200
that is completely not understood in our

1129
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,160
recipe to fix things we don't understand

1130
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,400
is just medicine

1131
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,920
and we really don't know what the

1132
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,400
outcome of it is going to be either at

1133
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,560
the end of the day you know and some

1134
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,520
things

1135
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,520
maybe

1136
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:49,599
you know could could use just a little

1137
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,280
shift of of a point of view of

1138
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,920
you know how the brain works and what is

1139
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,119
and what isn't you know supposed to be

1140
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,319
um

1141
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,640
because you know like experiences like

1142
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,440
this

1143
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:04,720
for instance

1144
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,079
again like john mack so many times

1145
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,319
he would

1146
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,119
one of his main talking points was

1147
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,359
so many such and such amount of people

1148
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:17,440
not one of them have

1149
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,960
any sign of any mental disorder whatever

1150
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,560
it is you know

1151
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,119
paranoid schizophrenia or you know

1152
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,280
delusions or anything

1153
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,040
and you know he's

1154
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,560
a harvard psychiatrist you know

1155
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,760
and he thought bud was crazy at first

1156
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,760
yeah until he started to see

1157
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,000
what bud was doing are you ready

1158
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,680
to see the evidence yeah and meet the

1159
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,200
people yeah my thing is um

1160
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,119
you know when we had mom and i had an

1161
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,800
experience in 84

1162
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,750
bud had given us the phone number for uh

1163
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,560
the uh center for ufo studies kufos app

1164
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,920
in chicago

1165
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,839
and so i called their hotline

1166
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,480
and in 1984 i called their 24-hour ufo

1167
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:06,319
hotline and dr jalen heineck answered

1168
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,280
the phone

1169
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,599
so we spoke to him mom and i both did we

1170
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,920
made drawings for him and sent them to

1171
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,760
him and then my mother spoke to him one

1172
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,040
more time

1173
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,520
and he made a comment to her

1174
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,200
that he felt like

1175
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,040
in all the years he'd been studying

1176
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,520
these things that he felt like

1177
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,400
[Laughter]

1178
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,560
he was beginning he told mom he was

1179
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,000
beginning to think that maybe not

1180
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,880
everyone could see these things

1181
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,240
and

1182
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,160
we felt like that was because we were

1183
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,400
thrown off but this thing that was over

1184
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,400
the house that night was absolutely huge

1185
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,240
in indianapolis which is not a small

1186
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,040
town like 10 15 minutes from downtown

1187
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,920
indy uh you to think

1188
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,520
thousands of people would reported this

1189
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:52,000
giant thing over the house and we heard

1190
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,119
nothing

1191
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,200
and dr heineck made that comment to my

1192
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:57,200
mom which kind of like was an epiphany

1193
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:58,319
for me

1194
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,040
and

1195
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,839
my my own personal opinion

1196
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,760
at this point in my life after these all

1197
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,599
these years and meeting everybody that

1198
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,599
i've met and talked to

1199
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,680
that i you know i don't know if it was

1200
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,640
because

1201
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,000
there was something different about us

1202
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,000
when we were born you know up here the

1203
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,960
wiring right uh i don't know if we have

1204
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,960
a few extra circuits

1205
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,200
that you know people have in there but

1206
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:23,359
they just haven't connected yet

1207
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,319
or if the experiences that we've had

1208
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,839
have

1209
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,079
connected the circuitry

1210
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,510
opened up us to be able to perceive more

1211
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,599
of the world around us i saw something

1212
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,680
neat just a little while ago a friend

1213
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,599
sent me about the perception of the

1214
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,280
human mind in the world that we live in

1215
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,640
we see a tiny we we visually see a tiny

1216
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:49,680
sliver

1217
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:52,800
of the spectrum that we exist in

1218
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,240
a tiny sliver there's a ton

1219
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,640
going on all around us that we can't

1220
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,440
perceive a brain isn't wired that way

1221
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,119
the same way with hearing

1222
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:04,640
when we sit in

1223
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,400
sitting here in my office there are

1224
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,720
wi-fi signals and

1225
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,359
television signals and all kinds of

1226
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,520
signals all around me and going through

1227
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:18,960
me but i'm not wired to receive them so

1228
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:22,960
i can't perceive them right i feel

1229
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:26,480
something happens to an experiencer in

1230
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,960
an experience that changes the wiring

1231
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,480
plugs in a connection that wasn't

1232
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,640
plugged in before maybe some of us are

1233
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,560
born plugged in a little bit but

1234
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,560
everybody's capable of it but they

1235
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,400
haven't gotten that

1236
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,240
stimulus that flipped the switch you

1237
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,359
know yeah and so um

1238
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,000
that's why i feel like uh

1239
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,520
it's so important to allow people to uh

1240
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,200
talk about their experiences because

1241
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,200
they're really have their this they're

1242
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,440
really seeing something and maybe if you

1243
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,000
know other people who aren't can be open

1244
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,560
to it that connection in them can be

1245
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,960
made and they too can have this

1246
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,040
experience you know it's interesting if

1247
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,560
you read um

1248
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,040
um american cosmic

1249
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,200
by chance it's it's pretty good book

1250
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,720
i've started reading that for like a

1251
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,720
book club that that we do

1252
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,319
um her name

1253
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,040
uh her name debbie or deborah is her

1254
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,880
name too or something

1255
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:25,760
but anyways she she talks about um this

1256
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:29,680
character in the book who who tells her

1257
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,280
basically it's you know dna and your

1258
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,400
your entire dna is kind of a receptor so

1259
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,079
to speak and and some people have

1260
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
different dna than others

1261
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,480
i know that uh you know

1262
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,520
dna is like a giant massive complicated

1263
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,119
computer program

1264
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,599
yeah that you plug into a machine or i

1265
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,800
call the

1266
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,960
the meat bags

1267
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,040
walking meat bags full of water that's

1268
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,720
what people are with little electrical

1269
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,160
impulses

1270
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,720
that's how i see people that's so sad

1271
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:04,000
what about how do i ever get married

1272
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,839
but

1273
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,800
that's john you thinking meat bag we're

1274
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,559
going to the store

1275
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,040
but um yeah so

1276
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,589
any yeah i'll never mind yeah

1277
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,190
he didn't know

1278
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,359
i was just yeah so it just made me think

1279
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,160
of that uh definitely um but yeah i mean

1280
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,440
i can say

1281
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,800
um so my first encounter saw a huge

1282
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,800
sideways teardrop thing right above my

1283
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,839
house was probably like 40 feet up or

1284
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,200
something uh it looked like it came in

1285
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,520
and out of a dimension um it had a

1286
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,920
little curve to it like a border around

1287
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:40,880
it

1288
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,000
um

1289
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,800
you know at first i was thinking

1290
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,480
you know i don't know what it was that

1291
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,599
was awesome it was probably this or a

1292
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,319
really big version of that or whatever

1293
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,760
um

1294
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,599
a couple days go by i have a dream that

1295
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,839
comes

1296
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,960
true um a dream that i had two years

1297
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,960
prior about something pretty dramatic

1298
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:06,319
came true

1299
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,200
um

1300
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,040
a couple days after

1301
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,640
saw the same thing

1302
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,119
first the light went over my shoulder i

1303
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,960
knew to look in that same direction

1304
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,200
there it came in that trajectory it was

1305
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:19,440
a complete ball this time

1306
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,480
um but the same exact material and and

1307
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,000
everything and that was over my garage

1308
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,000
so that must have been 10 to 15 feet

1309
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,559
away but ever since then

1310
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,760
i've seen i've seen different odd things

1311
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,240
never again like that

1312
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,640
have i had an experience like that but i

1313
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,359
have

1314
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,119
uh seen

1315
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,760
at least two hands worth of

1316
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,000
things that don't make any sense you

1317
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,680
know yeah so it i don't know

1318
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,200
well i like waiting but maybe you're

1319
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:52,319
right you know i you know

1320
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,960
this movie um the observers i hope

1321
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,760
that everyone who sees it

1322
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,400
comes away with the uh

1323
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,599
pulsco dw pulska okay

1324
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,680
diana

1325
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,400
i i hope that you know everybody will

1326
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,720
see this movie and this movie when i

1327
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,880
watched it it's like a a different

1328
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,520
puzzle piece from each person in the

1329
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,119
movie yeah

1330
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,520
each person comes at the the phenomenon

1331
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:23,520
from a slightly different uh point of

1332
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:24,480
view

1333
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,319
and um but you you can see how they all

1334
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,440
mesh together in a way but at the end

1335
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,520
it's it's uh

1336
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,160
it's the people it's

1337
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,480
everybody you and me

1338
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,720
the people that the guy next door the

1339
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,520
guy at the girls grocery store

1340
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,760
this is the people that it affects these

1341
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:48,160
the people that deserve the truth and

1342
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,000
these are the people that are going to

1343
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,319
help make the truth come out you know

1344
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,720
and i want and i hope that people who've

1345
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,760
had experiences who watch this movie

1346
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,599
come away feeling

1347
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,880
comfortable

1348
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,960
with their experience enough i know it's

1349
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,280
hard believe me sure i have not been

1350
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,440
comfortable for 40 years you know it

1351
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,440
took me a long time to get there but to

1352
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,359
start the process to learn to be

1353
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,440
comfortable to learn to speak out and

1354
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,359
understand that you're not alone

1355
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,280
and that it's okay to have the

1356
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,280
experience uh

1357
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,839
and um

1358
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:25,760
people don't think you're crazy believe

1359
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,200
me and also um you know

1360
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,839
i i mean that's why i i did it when

1361
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,480
linda asked me if i would come and sit

1362
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,960
with her and let myself be interviewed

1363
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,160
it was my

1364
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,760
i usually say no

1365
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,800
for these things by the way but uh

1366
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,119
i did it because a i trust linda and b

1367
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,880
something was compelling me to go and do

1368
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,319
this and i've always trusted the

1369
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,839
universe to put me where i need to be

1370
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,680
i literally got down on my hands and

1371
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,920
knees every day

1372
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:58,079
before i went to filming

1373
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,520
and said

1374
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:02,160
you brought me here

1375
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:03,119
please

1376
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,270
help me say

1377
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,520
what i need to say what you want me to

1378
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,680
say to help

1379
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,520
what do what i'm supposed to do which is

1380
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,119
help other people

1381
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,440
so i did that i prayed every morning

1382
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,760
before i left to go say those same

1383
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,280
things

1384
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,359
who do you pray to

1385
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,160
um i believe in a higher

1386
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,760
spiritual

1387
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,079
power you know i believe in god i

1388
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,319
believe god has many names you can call

1389
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,920
god universe or whatever you want you

1390
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,960
know sure

1391
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,319
um

1392
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,839
i also believe that there's a part of

1393
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,880
that in inside of me

1394
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,920
you know

1395
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,960
so

1396
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,079
yeah but i i think the power of

1397
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,079
thought and prayer and manifestation you

1398
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,800
know i'm like i tried to reach out to

1399
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,520
the universe and pull in what

1400
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,800
needed to be

1401
00:53:01,190 --> 00:53:00,000
brought out from me

1402
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,200
so

1403
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,119
yeah well thank you for doing that i

1404
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,800
really appreciate it i was very brave of

1405
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,200
you especially after all this time i'm

1406
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,520
sure it could be you know very easy to

1407
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:12,000
just say yeah you know what i don't need

1408
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:13,359
to do this

1409
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,870
you know but but you but you still did

1410
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,440
it and you know it's people like myself

1411
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,440
and people in this chat that that do

1412
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,559
appreciate it i know that for certain so

1413
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,800
um

1414
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,000
what else

1415
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,599
do you think from this movie it's fair

1416
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,200
to talk about this movie

1417
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,910
what do you think

1418
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,599
people should take away from it other

1419
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,920
than the experiencers say

1420
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,480
so to speak that this is real that this

1421
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,839
stuff is happening

1422
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:48,960
that is

1423
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,559
that ufo sightings and uh contact is not

1424
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,880
a figment of people's imagination it's

1425
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,839
real things are hap people are seeing

1426
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,319
things and people and at an i think an

1427
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,400
accelerated rate

1428
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,599
you know

1429
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,400
um i don't just think that it's because

1430
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,079
we all have cell phones with cameras on

1431
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,920
them now i think that there's more to it

1432
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,280
than just that

1433
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,200
you know we're reaching i think

1434
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,480
humanity's reaching a point where

1435
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,240
they're ready

1436
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,000
for the most part i mean there's never

1437
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:19,280
they're always going to be people that

1438
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,400
aren't

1439
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,440
yeah

1440
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:23,680
that that's for certain i can think of

1441
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,890
uh quite a few

1442
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,160
[Laughter]

1443
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,880
for the most part

1444
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,240
yeah

1445
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:35,760
i'm i'm

1446
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:38,559
i'm hopeful that this movie will if

1447
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,470
just open people's minds i don't expect

1448
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,559
people to believe

1449
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,400
things that i say

1450
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,359
i have

1451
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,589
if i hadn't seen and experienced it

1452
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,760
myself i would also

1453
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,240
question and questioning is a good thing

1454
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,799
questioning is not skepticism is not bad

1455
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,720
it is healthy there's a big difference

1456
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,960
between being a skeptic or being a

1457
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,440
debunker debunkers have an agenda and

1458
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,200
it's one agenda and they don't care

1459
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,280
about facts

1460
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,960
they don't bother to talk to you period

1461
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,799
i personally felt like i was my biggest

1462
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,240
skeptic because i was always trying to

1463
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,720
find a rational explanation for the

1464
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,799
irrational stuff that i was experiencing

1465
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,920
and seeing

1466
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,599
yeah so

1467
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,160
i mean uh what i first did was it you

1468
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,760
know went really deep into documents and

1469
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,760
i've pulled some documents and found

1470
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,920
some documents that i don't think anyone

1471
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,240
really has yet even here

1472
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,480
and you know to try to find some sense

1473
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,520
of truth

1474
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,920
um and i feel like i have found enough

1475
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,680
truth that something's going on i mean i

1476
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,400
found over 130 military encounters from

1477
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,760
the 50s

1478
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,520
um the documents and everything it's

1479
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:58,079
like so yeah something is going on so

1480
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,119
from there

1481
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,720
you know it makes you

1482
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,559
feel a little bit better about the

1483
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,640
experience you know and

1484
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,559
allows you to move forward a little bit

1485
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,640
because you're right you kind of are a

1486
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,559
skeptic of yourself

1487
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,839
are you

1488
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,160
do you still

1489
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,319
you know you mentioned you were kind of

1490
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,240
did that too when you started and i know

1491
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,680
we'll get out of here soon it's almost

1492
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,799
an hour

1493
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,400
you did that in your own way when you

1494
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:25,280
started um you know uh works tried to

1495
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,990
looking back was it was that um

1496
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,160
beneficial is that a good idea

1497
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,119
not a good idea either way is fine well

1498
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,040
i think everyone is different and

1499
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,400
everybody has their own journey and

1500
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,079
their own way of doing things for

1501
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,680
themselves and they know what works for

1502
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,640
them

1503
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,280
i knew that i couldn't live the rest of

1504
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
my life being afraid

1505
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,799
because

1506
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,799
when you're afraid of everything you're

1507
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:54,319
not living

1508
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:57,760
and i wanted to make the most of

1509
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,040
the time i have here

1510
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,200
on this planet in this in this world in

1511
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,680
this life before i move on to wherever

1512
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,440
i'm going or whatever

1513
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,880
you know i'm gonna do

1514
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,119
and so for me

1515
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:12,799
um

1516
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,720
there was no other option but to

1517
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,720
you know

1518
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,280
learn as much as i can can about it and

1519
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,079
uh try to find meaning in it for myself

1520
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,280
and for

1521
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,119
the bigger picture and try to find my

1522
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,559
place in the bigger picture i mean

1523
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,799
that's that's that was just there was no

1524
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,359
other option that was why i was born

1525
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,000
yeah you know and i feel you found it

1526
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,599
i believe i found

1527
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,000
some of it i believe i'm still a work in

1528
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,799
progress until the day i die i'm going

1529
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,400
to continue to learn

1530
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:46,160
about the world around me and about

1531
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,359
myself

1532
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,599
you know my only hope

1533
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,920
my main hope is that i can help someone

1534
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,799
else on this same journey that i'm going

1535
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,160
on now whether it's by watching me and

1536
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:00,640
by example or whether i if i can take

1537
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:04,480
your hand and carry you with me you know

1538
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,510
i will sure do that you can you can

1539
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,920
write me at my website and well you get

1540
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:14,640
my

1541
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,960
phone numbers yeah oh i get the general

1542
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,000
website email info it

1543
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,960
debra oh that's garbage

1544
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,200
yeah you have my phone number i'm just

1545
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,640
kidding yeah

1546
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,240
um

1547
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,280
well it i like to do this with a

1548
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,040
first-time guest um at at the end of uh

1549
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,960
the show it you know

1550
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,960
and it's just give you the floor

1551
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,400
basically if there's anything you want

1552
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,720
to say anything you you know want to

1553
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,359
make sure you touch on or any advice you

1554
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,599
want to give to the ufo community it's

1555
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,960
up to you

1556
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,359
well i want to give my website address

1557
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:52,799
for all the people out there who've had

1558
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,680
experiences who would like someone

1559
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,920
to talk to or have an ear and it's

1560
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:58,680
called

1561
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,319
debshome.com d-e-b-s-h-o-m-e.com

1562
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,880
we have a lot my husband is my webmaster

1563
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,200
we've had this website for

1564
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,720
25 years

1565
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,599
um a lot of information on there i'm

1566
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,599
trying to now that i'm retired i'm gonna

1567
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,920
put more personal content on it

1568
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,040
um

1569
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,119
and uh

1570
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,799
you know there's a place where you can

1571
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,400
to email me write to me if you want to

1572
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,400
share your experiences with me

1573
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,799
um if i can help you in any way i will

1574
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,160
do my best

1575
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,400
and sometimes you know i don't have any

1576
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,640
answers but i have a great ear

1577
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,160
i'm a great listener

1578
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,750
a friend of mine says cosmic hugs yeah

1579
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:44,079
yes got some goods

1580
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:45,119
all right

1581
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,720
uh well i had a great time talking to

1582
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,559
you i really did you're a wonderful

1583
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,720
person um thank you very much i

1584
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,880
appreciate the the

1585
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,960
invite and uh

1586
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,280
yeah yeah means a lot to me

1587
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,079
my pleasure i i hope uh you know maybe

1588
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,480
we can talk again uh sooner than later i

1589
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:04,880
wouldn't mind that either so absolutely

1590
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,920
anytime all right have a great rest of

1591
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,160
the night i hope you win whatever games

1592
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,440
you're playing

1593
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,040
just um

1594
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,599
you know just be be uh mindful of that

1595
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,839
body sack and get it

1596
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,200
i'm just kidding

1597
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,200
don't pull a new band right

1598
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,240
yeah meat bag i said body suck i'd watch

1599
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,079
that one all right

1600
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:28,720
all right take care debra you too all

1601
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,710
all right well that was fantastic i had

1602
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,319
a great conversation with her she's a

1603
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,880
great person um

1604
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,559
you know and it's it's really nice to

1605
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:44,480
put

1606
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,400
you know compassionate real um people

1607
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,079
um to

1608
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,760
some of the stories that people hear and

1609
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:54,880
maybe they're

1610
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,079
you know not so knowledgeable of

1611
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,799
the who what where and and when and why

1612
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,839
um because i think

1613
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:06,240
you know it's it always happens this way

1614
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,680
right yo

1615
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:10,799
not me or well me in other ways but

1616
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:14,000
people always seem to judge one another

1617
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,390
and emotions

1618
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,559
are felt

1619
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:24,160
and all of a sudden those judgments kind

1620
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,520
of melt away

1621
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,040
and you see the person for who they

1622
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,920
really are which is a human being

1623
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,599
you know

1624
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,799
um

1625
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:34,240
and so i think that's important what

1626
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:37,599
she's doing and i'm happy she's doing it

1627
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,190
um

1628
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,599
yeah and i hope that kind of thing moves

1629
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,000
forward so

1630
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,799
we can't let people who make experiences

1631
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,640
feel bad win

1632
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,079
right

1633
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,839
gotta keep doing our thing keeping our

1634
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,200
composure

1635
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,799
stay loving

1636
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:01,440
stay skeptical

1637
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,319
that being said i really appreciate

1638
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,680
everybody here i had such a great time

1639
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:10,160
um second

1640
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:13,119
second slot today um i'm gonna try my

1641
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,319
hardest

1642
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,359
to take off until monday

1643
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,680
um which will be the first night with

1644
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:20,960
priscilla

1645
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,160
uh quantum wish full-time co-host so i'm

1646
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:25,599
looking forward to that

1647
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,829
ain't got nothing left to say

1648
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,910
um but it's time to go watch the movie

1649
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,000
that's what you should do now right um

1650
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,839
and i guess jimmy church i i saw

1651
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,039
somebody commenting here's gonna have

1652
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,880
the whole cast and crew

1653
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,359
um so that's pretty cool

1654
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,599
so but yeah with that being said

1655
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,440
um

1656
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,720
have a great weekend have a great friday

1657
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,119
have a great time

1658
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,119
um really enjoy you guys really

1659
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:58,960
appreciate you guys very much like the

1660
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,680
video you know share it um subscribe to

1661
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:03,839
the channel if you can

1662
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,280
um that stuff is really the only thing

1663
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:09,599
i'm concerned with

1664
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:10,640
so

1665
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,720
um and y'all have a good evening and

1666
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:17,280
since i got some kudos

1667
01:03:28,690 --> 01:03:20,720
on the video from a couple people today